Actually, Scientology is far worse than the WTS as far as control and all that is concerned.
Mad Dawg
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Cult Discussion w/ Steve Hassan - many JW parallels
by Mad Sweeney inhttp://www.factnet.org/?p=651.
it's a web page, not a youtube that can be embedded unfortunately.
good conversation if you have time to listen to it..
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Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)
by TD inin george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.
once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.
nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.
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Mad Dawg
Alice said:
The early Bible students didn't know exactly what would happen in 1914…
Exactly? They had no clue! They got EVERYTHING wrong. Or are you going to finally provide the pre-1914 quote that shows they got something right. BTW, why are you blaming the students when it was Mr. Russel who wrote the WT?
…so they couldn't necessarily attribute an unknown event (the initiation of World War I) to God's adversary being permanently expelled from heaven and focusing all of his attention on earth: Satanic aggravation. They would also have to wait sometime for subsequent events to unfold to confirm that 1914 truly marked the beginning of the last days.
Beginning of the last days? Have you ever read Mr. Russels prognostications from their original sources? Are you saying that predictions can only be made after the event has happened?
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Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)
by TD inin george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.
once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.
nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.
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Mad Dawg
Intellectually hollow?
Still waiting for that pre-1914 quote.
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Mad Dawg
Evolution and Creation is more about history than science.
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Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)
by TD inin george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.
once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.
nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.
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Mad Dawg
Alice, yoohoo! Please show a pre-1914 quote that shows that the WTS predicted that Jesus would come back invisibly in 1914. Still waiting.
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Mad Dawg
As I've said, I am not going to argue over supposed "predictions" any more than I am going to argue over 607 bc. Evolution does not make predictions, it makes postdictions. If it is science, it has to - by definition - be observable, repeatable, and measurable. Evos are hard pressed to find examples in their world view that meet all three. Same holds true for creationists.
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Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)
by TD inin george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.
once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.
nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.
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Mad Dawg
Alice quoted:
“It was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.” —The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83.
Umm… Alice? I don’t see where it says that Jesus would come invisibly in 1914. All it says is that 2520 years will end in 1914. And they didn’t even get that right. It was 2519 years. No year zero, remember? Please try again.
BTW, Revelation 7:13&14 are set in Heaven. They are already dead!
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Mad Dawg
Many of the introduced animals have had a detrimental affect on the current state of the flora and fauna. Camels would be an exception. Given a few decades, maybe a century, it will stabilize to a new norm. Different, but stable.
Creationists do acknowledge that there was a wide variety within an animal kind. We deny that the variation is limitless. Perhaps, in the absence of predators, the critters had a loss of some degree of their defenses. Blind cave fish loose their camoflage and sight.
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Mad Dawg
I agree with it in principle, if not to the exact details. I don't need to have 100% of the details worked out any more than evos do. The evidence is that there is a known history of animals coming to Australia. In fact, much of the article agrees with evos on how animals migrated to other parts of the world. The difference being the time frame.
Too many times I have been drawn into arguements over what is or isn't a prediction. You and I will not agree on anything here. As for evolution's vaunted "predictive power", I have yet to see an evolutionary prediction that preceded what was predicted. It is more like the WTS claiming to have predicted that Jesus came in 1914.
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Mad Dawg
There are some open questions regarding tectonic plate shifts.
